[apluslist] setting-up A+ fonts for Xemacs

Fri Feb 27 14:01:16 EST 2004

Hi Pedro,

> You were righ, the Apple key does work (namely for typing iota and
> getting the right index generation) but it seems it conflicts with the
> X11 defauts, i.e., some of these key combinations are already in use to
> o something else. So, I found a turn-around for this simply by not
> enabling the use of the Meta-key for the X11 toolbar while working
> under an application such as Xemacs.
Very good! So, you look to be the 1-st person to run A+ in xemacs on
OS X! I tried this about an year (or 2?) ago, but unsuccessfully.

May you please compile a brief HOWTO with al steps and system
requirements? Like base OS X + X11 (from Apple?) + xemacs (where
from and howto installed) + aplus + something from our discussion.
It would be very useful and I hope John publish this HOWTO on
aplusdev.org.

> I guess that is all for the moments - thanks a lot. Now new questions
> will arise related to the language itself... stay tuned,
OK. Language itself is the easy issue to comparison to installation and
configuration
stuff:-)

Regards,
Sasha.

> On Feb 26, 2004, at 1:20 AM, Alexander Skomorokhov wrote:
>
> > Pedro,
> >
> >> I managed to run Xemacs - yes, F4 opens the A+ window and when I press
> >> Meta-I 3 then only thing I get is the Sterling Pound symbol (which is
> >> not even available in my keyboard...).
> >>
> >> If I press return nothing happens, i.e., no number sequence is
> >> generated (I suppose that is what Meta-I 3 generates, right?).
> > When you succeed you will see Greek letter {iota} after you press
> > Meta-I. This is A+ function index generator and for expression  {iota}3
> > you would get an answer 0 1 2 (index origin 0). So your session in
> > A+ window of xemacs should look like
> >           {iota}3
> > 0 1 2
> >
> >> this  means the fonts are displayed correctly
> > No, it means the fonts are _not_ displayed correctly:-) You have to
> > have
> > {iota} except of  {Sterling Pound} symbol. But the "look bad"
> > expression
> > has to work any way, So, it has to be:
> > 	{Sterling Pound}3
> > 0 1 2
> >
> > What do you have in return if you proceed it? Does font independent 2+3
> > return 5?
> >
> >> but the keys do not translate
> >> to the right characters, I suppose...
> > The other issue is what is Meta key. With windows usual keyboard (we
> > use on
> > Linux
> > boxes) it is often Alt key. But sometimes "Windows" key performs as a
> > Meta
> > key
> > instead of Alt. What key do you use as a Meta key on your Mac
> > keyboard? Try
> > different, like Alt, "Apple" (with apple symbol on it) and even Esc.
> >
> >> Should I get another keyb.el file (the one I use is located at
> >> /usr/local/aplus-fsf-4.18/lisp.1/) or modify any of the .el files
> >> under
> >> this directory?
> > I never tried this. But I played with system setting for keyboard and
> > sometimes
> > change from 101 to 104 keys helped...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sasha.
> >
> >> On Feb 25, 2004, at 11:13 PM, Alexander Skomorokhov wrote:
> >>
> >>> Pedro,
> >>>
> >>> The problem may be because of
> >>>
> >>> 1. lisp macro to customize xemacs
> >>> 2. font itself
> >>>
> >>> The first is more serious (IMHO), so, please, confirm that you may
> >>> start xemacs
> >>> press F4 to start A+ in xemacs
> >>> press Meta-I 3 and get 1 2 3 (if even Meta-I generates something
> >>> awful).
> >>>
> >>> If the above works for you, than you are almost ok. Congratulations.
> >>>
> >>> As for fonts you may try my script I use in Linux to start A+xemacs:
> >>> ------------------cut here--------------------------
> >>> #!/bin/bash
> >>> xemacs -l
> >>> /usr/local/aplus-fsf-4.18/lisp/.emacs -fn
> >>> --kapl-screen-r-normal--15-150-72-
> >>> 72-m--iso8859-1
> >>> ------------------cut here--------------------------
> >>> It solved for me all the problems like this in Linux. You see it pass
> >>> lisp
> >>> macro directly and pass
> >>> font directly with it's "full" name.
> >>>
> >>> I recently played with wiki installation on OS X 10.2 and SuSE Linux
> >>> 8.2 and
> >>> found that it's almost identical
> >>> (apache, mysql and php script installation and configuration). That's
> >>> why I
> >>> hope my script may help you.
> >>>
> >>> Good luck,
> >>> Sasha.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: apluslist-bounces at aplusdev.net
> >>>> [mailto:apluslist-bounces at aplusdev.net]On Behalf Of Pedro De Almeida
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2004 11:33 PM
> >>>> To: apluslist at aplusdev.net
> >>>> Subject: [apluslist] setting-up A+ fonts for Xemacs
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: setting-up A+ fonts for Xemacs
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi there!
> >>>>
> >>>> I have installed A+ and also Xemacs on my iBook G4, under Mac OS
> >>>> 10.3. I
> >>>> have installed the necessary fonts in the respective X11 directory
> >>>> and
> >>>> updated the fonts.dir and fonts.alias files.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, when I start Xemacs I can not get the all the fonts
> >>>> properly
> >>>> displayed (i.e., all the ones that are available in the KAPL
> >>>> family).
> >>>>
> >>>> Could this be due to the encoding? Any suggestions? Also, I do
> >>>> not get the
> >>>> right key translation (yes, my iBook has a US keyboard)
> >>>>
> >>>> Since I am new to both A+ and also to APL would you recommend me
> >>>> some
> >>>> adequate references (books, manuals, etc.)?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks a lot,
> >>>>
> >>>> Pedro
> >>>> Helsinki - Finland
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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